he really does.. we had a long chat tonight and he was really sad.we were never integrated into jw society,so it's not the people;he justsaid ...'want to belong to god's family'?
!i went through a few more points as to why the wtbs wer'nt the 'right' religion and asked him if he felt god was happy with people who lie.he re-accepted that and then said'so,how do you know where to go?i tried to explain it by asking him if he thought god looked at congregations or individuals and we got to the conclusion that it's probably individuals.... my point is, he wants to go to his teachers church,and i don't.my husband has never been interested in religion in any form and as the months go by,i feel less and less inclined to be involved in any religion.he has a strong christian theme at his school, but done nicely, so i know his desperation is,nt all 'my fault' but i feel guilty at making him so desperate to find the place he feels comfortable in.he's only 8 and an obsessed sports fan who has a very loving ,full life-but he's unhappy at night and i'm so worried it's my fault.i feel so depressed tonight and responsible for messing up his head with it all.the point is.... do i take him to his teachers church even though i have no desire to?how long would i have to go, feeling a hypocrite?.
what will it do to him if i don't try to help him practically with how he's feeling?.
Thi chi;I agree totally;I just don't feel I want to go with him!He's a really thoughtful boy and I like the level of communication we have,I just wish we could do all this when i'm a bit less anti ORGANISED religion...X
Anglise;No, she's not, she's a living saint,who works for charities in the 3rd world- and a really funny, talented woman.She's belongs to a christian fellowship type of church which is about 50 feet from our house!
he really does.. we had a long chat tonight and he was really sad.we were never integrated into jw society,so it's not the people;he justsaid ...'want to belong to god's family'?
!i went through a few more points as to why the wtbs wer'nt the 'right' religion and asked him if he felt god was happy with people who lie.he re-accepted that and then said'so,how do you know where to go?i tried to explain it by asking him if he thought god looked at congregations or individuals and we got to the conclusion that it's probably individuals.... my point is, he wants to go to his teachers church,and i don't.my husband has never been interested in religion in any form and as the months go by,i feel less and less inclined to be involved in any religion.he has a strong christian theme at his school, but done nicely, so i know his desperation is,nt all 'my fault' but i feel guilty at making him so desperate to find the place he feels comfortable in.he's only 8 and an obsessed sports fan who has a very loving ,full life-but he's unhappy at night and i'm so worried it's my fault.i feel so depressed tonight and responsible for messing up his head with it all.the point is.... do i take him to his teachers church even though i have no desire to?how long would i have to go, feeling a hypocrite?.
what will it do to him if i don't try to help him practically with how he's feeling?.
Thanks Valis-that's a pretty good idea; a few friends at school go to some;perhaps it would satisfy him if he just went occasionally.Perhaps I could get his teacher to 'invite' him to her church,some close friends' parents are lovely,and that's theirs too;I'd just feel so false even being there at the moment.X
he really does.. we had a long chat tonight and he was really sad.we were never integrated into jw society,so it's not the people;he justsaid ...'want to belong to god's family'?
!i went through a few more points as to why the wtbs wer'nt the 'right' religion and asked him if he felt god was happy with people who lie.he re-accepted that and then said'so,how do you know where to go?i tried to explain it by asking him if he thought god looked at congregations or individuals and we got to the conclusion that it's probably individuals.... my point is, he wants to go to his teachers church,and i don't.my husband has never been interested in religion in any form and as the months go by,i feel less and less inclined to be involved in any religion.he has a strong christian theme at his school, but done nicely, so i know his desperation is,nt all 'my fault' but i feel guilty at making him so desperate to find the place he feels comfortable in.he's only 8 and an obsessed sports fan who has a very loving ,full life-but he's unhappy at night and i'm so worried it's my fault.i feel so depressed tonight and responsible for messing up his head with it all.the point is.... do i take him to his teachers church even though i have no desire to?how long would i have to go, feeling a hypocrite?.
what will it do to him if i don't try to help him practically with how he's feeling?.
Thanks for the comments Dutchie;but it's not the hall he wants to go back to now-it's his teachers church-lots of children enjoy sunday school etc-I don't want to belittle his needs and ignore them-if they make him unhappy I have to take them seriously-don't I ?
if I don't try to understand he has a need to find god SOMEWHERE how will he trust me to help him with his problems?
I don't just feel i can say, 'You want to go to a church?Tough!'
Just because my need is fading-dos'nt meen his feelings mirror mine...
he really does.. we had a long chat tonight and he was really sad.we were never integrated into jw society,so it's not the people;he justsaid ...'want to belong to god's family'?
!i went through a few more points as to why the wtbs wer'nt the 'right' religion and asked him if he felt god was happy with people who lie.he re-accepted that and then said'so,how do you know where to go?i tried to explain it by asking him if he thought god looked at congregations or individuals and we got to the conclusion that it's probably individuals.... my point is, he wants to go to his teachers church,and i don't.my husband has never been interested in religion in any form and as the months go by,i feel less and less inclined to be involved in any religion.he has a strong christian theme at his school, but done nicely, so i know his desperation is,nt all 'my fault' but i feel guilty at making him so desperate to find the place he feels comfortable in.he's only 8 and an obsessed sports fan who has a very loving ,full life-but he's unhappy at night and i'm so worried it's my fault.i feel so depressed tonight and responsible for messing up his head with it all.the point is.... do i take him to his teachers church even though i have no desire to?how long would i have to go, feeling a hypocrite?.
what will it do to him if i don't try to help him practically with how he's feeling?.
He really does.
We had a long chat tonight and he was really sad.We were never integrated into jw society,so it's not the people;he justsaid ...'want to belong to god's family'?!I went through a few more points as to why the wtbs wer'nt the 'right' religion and asked him if he felt god was happy with people who lie.He re-accepted that and then said'So,how do you know where to go?I tried to explain it by asking him if he thought god looked at congregations or individuals and we got to the conclusion that it's probably individuals...
My point is, he wants to go to his teachers church,and I don't.My husband has never been interested in religion in any form and as the months go by,I feel less and less inclined to be involved in any religion.He has a strong Christian theme at his school, but done nicely, so I know his desperation is,nt all 'my fault' But I feel guilty at making him so desperate to find the place he feels comfortable in.He's only 8 and an obsessed sports fan who has a very loving ,full life-but he's unhappy at night and i'm so worried it's my fault.I feel so depressed tonight and responsible for messing up his head with it all.The point is...
Do I take him to his teachers church even though I have no desire to?How long would I have to go, feeling a hypocrite?
What will it do to him if I don't try to help him practically with how he's feeling?
I can't just ignore the request,can I?
My daughter are older and not interested...HELPPPP!!!!?????
iam pleased to report, my jw daughter called me this morning.. needless to say i was thrilled to hear from her.
as many of you know to well, it is a small blessing, but huge when it's coming from an active jw.. i have decided to leave off talking anything jw related, and just enjoy getting caught up on the latest in her life.. there is hope.. danny
Always the last to post(!)as ever,due to the times I can get online...But just wanted to say how happy that made me for you all; Danny and daughter,Detective and friend XXX GOOD LUCK
i just spoke on the phone to amazing (jim whitney) who is in intensive care in a chicago hospital.
on monday he had a major heart attack, had a stint put in an artery to unblock things and may have bypass surgery.
he's comfortable enough right now, but of course will have to make some big lifestyle changes.
OH MY GOD! Hom did I miss this?
Amazing,you poor thing;hope it all goes well next week and i'll be thinking of you,keep smiling-xxxxx
Do we have an address to send a card to?
the following link takes you to the official jw site and an article about how the "organisation" treats wrong-doing.
i have pasted the relevant part about molestors here.. i'm suprised by the over-all dumbing-down of the offenses and particularly astonished by expressions such as "struggle to avoid repeating his sin" while it admits that "experience has shown that such an adult may well molest other children".. http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/1997/1/1/article_01.htm.
what of a child molester?.
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yesterday (memorial day) i awoke to a slow, dull, thudding headache.
it wasn't terribly bad...i ignored it really.
neil fixed me a brunch of bacon and eggs and we sat down to eat around 12:30 or so.
Hi Billygoat;sorry to hear you're getting them...I've suffered since childhood,but only when i'm upset,stressed or even really excited.I used to ride alot and got them before I went out;'cos I looked forward to it so much-even if it was everyday!But mainly I get the pain beginning in my right(always!)eye,slowly creeping up the scale in intensity until I feel as though i'll pass out with pain,and nausea.
I've tried tablets, but nothing works;it was weird to hear you say about the cool sheets!I have to get a cold compress and try to sleep; when I wake up they're usually gone,I find I can't wear any jewellery either,it feels too 'heavy' on my skin.I usually have to get undressed too.It's almost as though my skin is too sensitive.Deep breathing can help, even if it just calms your screeming nerves for a while.My daughter's teaching me to meditate as she's learning yoga at school, i'm hoping that'll do the same job on another level.Hope it's of some help-
Stay unstressed!XX
mr. brown: child abuse is an evil.
it's an evil of our time: it's an evil in our society.
we abhor it.
And all sorts of organizations and
agencies are grappling with how to best handle this.
But the WTBS will stand alone as the ones who would rather lie and protect child molesters than try to heal the broken spirits of the children they failed SO abysmally.
The Catholic church is installing professionals to monitor and deal with the situation.They have recognised the problems,appologised and taken steps to rectify the abuse.The WTBS will have to conform to society's standards-PICK YOURSELVES UP OUT OF THE GUTTER AND START BEHAVING WITH DECORUM.
this was prepared and presented far better than i could have ever imagined.. to all you individuals that stood up to goliath.
i am so proud to be in assoication with such strong people.. thank you bill for your efforts and willingness to put a name and face in front of the cameras spearheading this effort.. thank you dateline.
is it too early to look for a sequel?
Thankyou for all the hard work you put in Bill and all; I hope I'll be able to see your efforts soon X
